# From JMS Unit Tests to OpenLiberty--an airhacks.fm Podcast

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The #83 airhacks.fm episode with Alasdair Nottingham (@nottycode) about:

runtimes and isolation, memory consumption vs. responsiveness, WebSphere, OpenLiberty, "Just Enough Application Server" vs. developer experience
and a bit of JMS and Java EE / Jakarta EE

is available for download.