Google Trends - Netbeans 6.1 More Popular Than Eclipse? What's about IntelliJ?- try it out...
I just couldn't believe the Amateur's Coding Post about Google Trends result and played around with this tool. Regardles which parameters I used - Eclipse became less and less interesting - and Netbeans the opposite. Both lines were crossed at the end of 2007. It's really surprising - the popularity of Netbeans seems to increase, and of Eclipse to decrease. I tried with Netbeans IDE as first parameter, and Eclipse IDE as first - but the result was in both cases the same - Netbeans is more popular regarding to Google Trends! The comparison between IntelliJ and Netbeans was even more surprising.
However the result could also mean: Eclipse has fewer bugs, than Netbeans - so developers do not have to search for it :-).
Well, when you compare the terms 'netbeans' and 'eclipse' the result looks very different. Also von the IntelliJ vs. Netbeans comparison, you compared "IntelliJ" vs. "Netbeans" and not vs. "Netbeans IDE".
Posted by Carsten Schlipf on May 26, 2008 at 04:22 PM CEST #
As said in the Amateur's Coding post, when using only Eclipse, Google Trends does not make the difference beetwen Eclipse the IDE and lunar or solar Eclipse. When using only Eclipse you can see spikes corresponding to lunar/solar eclipse date.
Making the search using Eclipse Java versus NetBeans Java does not lines crossed but they are converging.
Posted by Christophe Jollivet on May 26, 2008 at 04:57 PM CEST #
Carsten,
the problem was: IntelliJ IDE wasn't available, so I had to compare IntelliJ (without IDE) with Netbeans and not IntelliJ IDE with Netbeans IDE - I tried to use the same keywords in both cases.
Posted by Adam Bien on May 26, 2008 at 05:00 PM CEST #
Christophe,
thank you for the post - and comment.
adam
Posted by Adam Bien on May 26, 2008 at 05:21 PM CEST #
It looks like Netbeans is closing in on Eclipse:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=eclipse+java%2C+Netbeans+java&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
Posted by Joe Stark Jr. on May 26, 2008 at 06:03 PM CEST #
It seems that search trends for Java all by itself show a decline:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=java&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
This skews the trends for Eclipse+Java and NetBeans+Java. The convergence that you're seeing isn't quite so much of a convergence as it is a reflection of the overall decline in interest in Java.
Try looking at the trend for other languages:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=eclipse+php%7CC%2B%2B%7Cruby%2C+netbeans+php%7CC%2B%2B%7Cruby&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=0
Eclipse is still pretty clearly clobbering NetBeans :-)
Posted by Wayne on May 26, 2008 at 06:32 PM CEST #
Wayne,
although I'm interested in other languages as well - my primary interest are still Java :-). You really compared C++? :-). But why not Ruby: http://www.google.com/trends?q=eclipse+ruby%2C+netbeans+ruby&ctab=0
Both are pretty close... :-)
Posted by Adam Bien on May 26, 2008 at 07:27 PM CEST #
The beautiful thing about statistics is that you can use them to prove just about any point. How does Eclipse Platform compare against NetBeans Platform (I believe that 'NetBeans Platform' is the accepted term).
Posted by Wayne on May 27, 2008 at 02:11 AM CEST #
Another point is I often see IntelliJ IDEA referred to just as IDEA and so it's hard to trend a word like IDEA. So maybe IntelliJ is a little closer to NetBeans. :)
So I am IntelliJ user and fan and have been since v2.x of IDEA. So given the choice, I would pick IDEA over everything but I would certainly pick NetBeans over Eclipse. I think I would probably pick JEdit of Eclipse, but that's just me :)
Posted by Vinny Carpenter on May 27, 2008 at 06:15 AM CEST #
If the statistics are actually even remotely accurate, the only thing it says to me that all of the Sun employees who write 100 blog posts per day saying why Netbeans is better than Eclipse are getting indexed by Google. I have yet to meet a Java developer who uses it...
Posted by Brandon Harper on May 27, 2008 at 08:06 AM CEST #
Try Dice.com.
Netbeans: 72 results
Eclipse: 1176 results.
So who is the winner in IDE-popularity? Dice is much more reliable then any random Google-search. Eclipse has become *the* industrial standard for Java-IDE's.
Posted by Ralf Schenk on May 27, 2008 at 09:42 AM CEST #
Hi Ralf,
I didn't tried dice - but I just found the (google) trend remarkable. I know that Eclipse is still number one - I just found the statistics interesting.
Thanks for your comment,
regards,
adam
Posted by Adam Bien on May 27, 2008 at 01:16 PM CEST #
Try http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=netbeans%2C+eclipse%2C+intellij&l=.
This shows how many jobs there are i.e. how many people make and invest money for this. I believe this is much more important.
Posted by Eberhard Wolff on May 27, 2008 at 04:52 PM CEST #
I think Eberhard and Wayne have a good point. We need to look at a sustainable eco system that actually creates revenue that can be reinvested. And there dice is a pretty good indicator.
Or I may just not be aware how big the Netbeans eco system got lately ...
Ralph
Posted by Ralph on May 27, 2008 at 05:59 PM CEST #
Search is just search... try "turkey sandwich" vs. "foie gras" and compare that to anyone's actual eating habits. It's an interesting trend but it has nothing to do with "popularity". (I'm not advocating any particular IDE, just discouraging the wild misreading of statistics.)
Posted by Scott on May 27, 2008 at 08:16 PM CEST #
It's remarkable - it seems like developers really like to compare and talk about IDEs, platforms and ecosystems :-).
I still believe, that popularity is somehow related to Google Trends. People seem to search for popular things :-).
regards,
adam
Posted by Adam Bien on May 28, 2008 at 12:14 AM CEST #
@Eberhard,
nice to meet you here. Netbeans 6.1 has a built-in Spring support - did you alread tried it?
You could google for it and improve the NB trend :-),
thanks for your comment!,
adam
Posted by Adam Bien on May 28, 2008 at 12:16 AM CEST #
"...saying why Netbeans is better than Eclipse are getting indexed by Google. I have yet to meet a Java developer who uses it..."
You really should get out more often ;) Last time I checked there were about 500000 active Netbeans users.
Posted by Carlos Cole on May 29, 2008 at 01:12 PM CEST #
Well, there are many IDEs based on Eclipse.
You have Vanilla Eclipse, MyEclipse Enterprise Workbench, IBM Rational Developer, JBuilder, etc.
So, it is pretty obvious that there will be more developers who target the Eclipse RCP, and more developers who use Eclipse. Most businesses like Supported Software, and most developers like IDEs that are extensible and have a wide variety of extensions available to them.
That's probably why more people use Microsoft Tools on Windows for Windows development than CodeGear, Intel C/C++/Fortran, GNU Toolchain, etc. and the opposite on Linux (most using GCC instead of Sun/Intel/etc. compilers).
NetBeans is actually a better IDE than Eclipse ATM, with a more stable feature base and a much better out of the box experience. There just needs to be a bigger Eco-System. IBM was very smart with Eclipse, and it obviously paid off.
Being #1 > knowing that you actually are better than the competition :)
P.S. I don't work for Sun, and don't want to. I am not a contributor to either project, and yes, I have used both rather extensively. I switched to NetBeans at version 6.0.
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