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Thursday Jan 28, 2010

Sun + Oracle, NetBeans, Glassfish, JavaOne and the Death of Kenai

JavaOne will take place in San Francisco from September 19-23, 2010 - so I was semi right :-). Most of the questions are answered here. kenai.com will be killed. What is a pity - it is/was a great platform with mercurial support. Glassfish, however, will be also commercially supported by Sun/Oracle.


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Really bad news. I just discovered kenai.com while following your blog for a while and the integration of kenai.com into NetBeans. What platform will replae kenai.com in the future?

Posted by Andre Fuechsel on January 28, 2010 at 03:09 PM CET #

Doesn't sound very good for NetBeans.

http://washingtontechnology.com/Articles/2010/01/28/Oracle-Sun-intergration-plan.aspx?s=wtdaily_290110&Page=1

# NetBeans: Kurian referred to Sun's well-loved integrated development environment as a "lightweight" Java IDE. He said Oracle plans to focus NetBeans on dynamic scripting languages, such as PHP and Python, while supporting its JDeveloper IDE as its strategic development environment. "There really is no need to do scripting in a Java IDE," said Dana Gardner, principal analyst at Interarbor Solutions. "This might just be a way of sunsetting NetBeans."

# Glassfish: Sun's Web app server will continue to get support from Oracle, but it will be offered primarily as a departmental solution, Kurian said, while Oracle's own WebLogic Server will continue to be marketed as the enterprise solution.

Posted by BryanY on January 29, 2010 at 05:58 PM CET #

Hi Adam, do you have better news then the ones posted above? If the article cited by BryanY is correct, it turns out at the end that the deal will have bigger effort on the Java community than initially thought. I mean, NetBeans is nearly as popular as Eclipse and Glassfish is a widespread and well-respected AppServer - is Oracle really planing to shut down both? Can't believe it.

Posted by Andre Fuechsel on February 01, 2010 at 04:56 PM CET #

Oracle announced that they will keep Glassfish as the official reference implementation for Java EE.

But the future of NetBeans is very uncertain.

Posted by BryanY on February 01, 2010 at 06:04 PM CET #

Yes, but Glassfish is more than just a reference implementation. It is production ready, stable and proven. I understand that Oracle doesn't want to promote two JEE AppServer as they already have the BEA server. Still I would like to see that the GF server gets the same support like the BEA server. May the better succeed.

Posted by Andre Fuechsel on February 02, 2010 at 11:43 AM CET #

Netbeans stopped being the only IDE I needed when they decided to drop half the Enterprise Features they inhereted from Sun's Java Studio Enterprise/Creator, namely UML Modeling and Visual JSF.

That is one of the most blatantly disgusting turn-arounds I've ever seen IRT developer tools. Kill one set of tools, port the features to another, and then kill off the huge features that would get you to move to that other IDE.

If I had known that, I'd have moved to JDeveloper or MyEclipse a long time ago (I'm using JDeveloper, ATM).

I want nothing to do with Netbeans, anymore. As far as the Enterprise Server issue... *shrugs* GlassFish is the reference implementation, but there are few people that would even think to consider it better than WebLogic (maybe the better will survive). Let them market it as an Enterprise Solution. That seems most appropriate, IMO, since GlassFish is quite lightweight and lots of people already use it in that capacity.

Posted by Javanonymous on April 13, 2010 at 11:52 AM CEST #

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