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I would love to see Oracle ADF integrated with NebBeans.

Gesendet von BryanY am September 03, 2009 at 05:22 PM CEST #

I agree wholeheartedly with Gesendet, though the right thing to do would be to see Apache Trinidad - complete with the ADF Rich Client framework (JSF) - built into NetBeans or even a plugin. JDeveloper obviously already has this integration, but I don't want to have to download a 1 gigabyte IDE for it.

Gesendet von Shawn Bertrand am September 03, 2009 at 06:41 PM CEST #

I also agree with Gesendet ;-)
voll und ganz! :-D

Gesendet von Ramon am September 03, 2009 at 08:00 PM CEST #

Why not move NetBeans to JDeveloper.

Gesendet von hantsy am September 04, 2009 at 04:17 AM CEST #

@Hantsy,

both, JDeveloper and NetBeans are Swing apps. Changing the L&F in both apps is relatively simple. But: NetBeans on Mac OS X looks great :-).

thanks!,

adam

Gesendet von Adam Bien am September 04, 2009 at 09:46 AM CEST #

To continue @64 point
Things like DB support for mysql and oracle, visual swing or Jsf and even data binding are things JDeveloper was doing even before netbeans.

You should also consider things like the integration jdeveloper has with the rest of Oracle's middleware stack from the weblogic server to the SOA suite and to Webcenter.

Gesendet von 75.152.244.80 am September 04, 2009 at 03:59 PM CEST #

If Oracle dumps NetBeans, I would use Intellij or Eclipse before JDeveloper.

Gesendet von Daniel McDonald am September 04, 2009 at 05:59 PM CEST #

Well ... if those arguments make a good case for Netbeans?
Oracle is actually a quoted company (and even a big american one) - so what is the _only_ destination of such a company and so the only reason for a "good" argument?
Well, _MONEY_ of course, nothing else.
I don't see any arguments listed here why Oracle could make more money with Netbeans...

Best wishes, Rainer

Gesendet von Rainer am September 04, 2009 at 06:12 PM CEST #

I am one of those people who switched from Eclipse to NetBeans. If Oracle were to drop NetBeans, I'd just go back to Eclipse.

JDeveloper may be nice (or not), but NetBeans is open and extensible. I'd say it's a much better platform to extend. So IMHO JDeveloper plugins should be ported to NetBeans and then JDeveloper should be dropped as a separate IDE.

That would save money and satisfy the most number of people. In my work teaching technical classes, I meet dozens of developers every week. Aside from those people already using Oracle products, I've never ever ever met a single person who used JDeveloper. I'd guess the market is 50% Eclipse, 30% NetBeans, 15% IntelliJ IDEA and 5% TextMate/Emacs/vi/notepad/JDeveloper/Visual Cafe/Visual J# or whatever.

Gesendet von Tom am September 04, 2009 at 06:54 PM CEST #

Hi Adam,

I am almost with you on this, but in reality JDev for Oracle to push out ADF licences and WLS server licences.. ie web projects.

Jdev does this in a VWP like editor.

NB at 6.5 with VWP was great and suddenly as of 6.7 creating a webapp in Netbeans is a total and utter nightmare.

So there is not the slightest possibility Oracle would support NB over Jdev, unless some form of visual web project is back in NB that can be extended to be sold propreitary by Oracle with ADF and WLS.

It would simply be too hard for Oracle people to create webapps in NB as it currently stands.... infact its too hard for NB people too and so much so I decided for what we need NB6.5 with VWP will continue to be used for a long while.

Gesendet von jamesarbrown am September 05, 2009 at 09:48 PM CEST #

@John,

I heard from several sources like: http://blogs.oracle.com/otn/2008/07/blogging_the_oracle_fusion_mid.htm, that for Oracle JDeveloper remains strategic and Eclipse tooling is developed, because of community demand.

I mentioned Eclipse - see 2. :-)

thanks!,

adam

Gesendet von Adam Bien am September 06, 2009 at 09:29 PM CEST #

+1

Though I generally like JDeveloper, there are some things NetBeans simply is way better at. Examples? Maven2 integration (which is a key fact in my environment) and support of different Java EE application servers / containers for development and deployment. Maven2 integration in JDeveloper so far unfortunately is next to non-existent, and deploying applications to, say, Glassfish or Apache Geronimo also ain't fun.

Gesendet von Kristian Rink am September 07, 2009 at 08:56 AM CEST #

I don't know JDeveloper and never heard more than the name about it. But I like Netbeans very much. It is fast and easy to use. It is one of the few examples that demonstrate how great cross-platform apps are possible with Java/Swing. Beside Netbeans now has the only credible Swing App framework after the Swing Application Framework was canceled by Sun (at least for Java 7)

Gesendet von aehrenr am September 08, 2009 at 10:34 AM CEST #

I use them both.

I find JDeveloper much more practical when working with the kind of apps I need, master-detail, CRUD and the like.

Things like drag-n-drop data-controls along with the visual editor make my life easier.

That said; The Netbeans eco-system is superb and the IDE is a joy to use.

I hope Oracle keeps Netbeans alive.

Perhaps Netbeans and JDeveloper will merge or have a child.

Gesendet von maxmcbyte am November 03, 2009 at 10:47 AM CET #